Guest Post by Howard Dean
The post below is from Governor Howard Dean. You can check out the crossposting and commentary at www.blogforamerica.com and read more about Howard Dean at www.deanforamerica.com. Thanks!-- Matt, Zephyr and Nicco, Dean Internet Team
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I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone...anyone to put this administration in its place. This country has gone totally backwards....people in the administration that I thought I had heard the last of long ago...policies that make us look stupid...a leader who can't even put one complete sentence together and men behind him who are the scariest since the Nixon period.
Go Howard Dean. You will get my vote and a donation soon!
Ghod... there links to here; here links to there; I feel like I'm watching Wimbledon. :-)
Replies from the Doc, guys; in the comments...
"It's the Conversation, stupid."
-- j
Jay -- the fact is that Governor Dean is keeping a near 18 hour a day schedule -- today he was on a plane for 4 hours from Dallas to Miami -- then out of the car and into the NAACP debate -- and off again to the next event. To be honest we were all freaking out up at Burlington HQ that he wasn't going to be able to make a post to the Lessig Blog today -- something like I said we were freaking about. We know its about the conversation -- and that is what we have been trying to do -- but we will be lucky to have time for a post or two a day this week. We are doing things, and the Governor has been willing to do things that no other serious candidate has been willing to do -- we do not deserve credit for that. What I have learned everytime we try something new like this -- is that we never quite get it right no matter how hard we try. All we ask is that people recognize that fact and that each time we get closer to the conversation we are really trying to have.
Thanks
Joe Trippi
campaign manager
Dean for America
I've worked on a presidential campaign before (1992) and you just cannot IMAGINE the volumes of letters, e-mail (yes, even then), and people dropping in who want a personal connection with the candidate. I've learned it isn't all about the candidate. It's about this - how a candidate can inspire people who have never met to talk and converse about things that really matter in this country. Although I heard Lessig speak once, and found him provocative and wonderfully articulate, I hadn't really given IP issues a second thought until I heard Dean would be posting here. So now I'm interested again, and that's the power of this campaign. So talk, converse, ask questions and suggest answers. Just don't expect a personal back and forth with a candidate who has such an enormous task at hand, with many people needing to be touched one way or another all day long.
Jay - what's your top issue or concern? What's your top recommendation re that issue? I sure want to hear it. Thanks!
Hooray for Joe Trippi's comments! Conversation or no conversation with Howard Dean, this is amazing. I really can't understand the criticism. This is WAY more than anyone else has tried to do, give the guy a break. Geez! Are you on his side or what?
I understand, Joe.
"Stupid" is rhetoric. As I had to point out to the members of my own local steering committee last week: Politics (even the politics of *getting* someone elected) is the art of finding a way to get along with others so you don't have to kill them. :-)
The biggest issue that this campaign will have to deal with, IMHO, is that *precisely because* of it's grass-roots-ness, there is likely to be more friction between the people on the ground than is sometimes the case... and we'll all have to consciously try to assume the best of the other guy, even if it sounds like he doesn't merit it, just then.
It ain't easy stuff... but we'll do it. It's all about keeping your eyes on the prize.
You're working on it.
We noticed.
Cheers,
-- jra
I'm really pleased to watch Gov. Dean branch out to new and exciting constituencies who are eager to engage him in a conversation. I understand a bit about the hectic schedule the Governor must be living, having worked for a US Senator whose day was scheduled out in five minute blocks -- when she wasn't campaigning.
I urge people who like what they hear to consider exercising one of their strongest political voices and opening their wallets as a show of support. Dean is proving time and again -- on Iraq, and on media monopolies -- that he is willing to speak the truth. Donate a Dollar for the TRUTH.
Congratulations to the Dean capaign for their takeover another blog! Perhaps with a little more work you guys can mau mau Lessig into dropping John Edwards and supporting Dean...
Jay -- I spent some time as an advisor to Progeny Linux Systems (the Debian flavored Linux) -- the time spent there really influenced my thinking about an open source campaign.
I mean the political system today is exactly the same thing -- a small group trying to keep control of a system they designed and that they hold the keys to -- and an open source campaign is one that conducts open converstions, open collabortation -- and in the end the contributions of many individuals in terms of time or resources when marshalled together will have the power to take government by the people back. Its the whole thinking behind a new politics of meaning -- because without the people getting involved again politics has no meaning. I don't know maybe I am rambling -- but it is how we are trying to do this -- maybe its a strecth but the fact is it was the time spent in Linux related endeavors that has shaped my thinking.
Joe Trippi
campaign manager
Dean for America
Joe --
YES!
I've been telling everyone I can grab that the Dean campaign is the first open-source Presidential campaign.
The keys to making open-source anything work are 1) trust and 2) zillions of eyeballs. The other campaigns don't trust their grunt workers -- the Dean campaign invites them up to the microphone. Yeah, there will be the odd disruptor trying to sabotage things, but he/she is typically so clumsy that he/she gets spotted and tossed immediately.
Dean = Linux.
Kerry = Apple.
Bush = Microsoft.
What more can I say?
See, Joe? I told you you got it. :-)
Lisa: you mean, *besides* wanting to see the Doc and staff's highschool and college *history* transcripts? Electronic Voting. And I'm pretty sure I've flogged that topic to death in-line.
Once we get a position paper on that, I'll go pick on something else. :-)
Some semi-official venue for exactly *this* sort of thing, actually. An online focus group? Probably too elitist for Solaria, but I'm sure the staff can already pick out the top 20 regulars they wanna hear from more often...
Oh, and I wanna know what he's going to do about the Warren Commission. ;-)
-- j
Hey Joe-
Open Source Presidential campaign! I love it. If that doesn't qualify you for the title of post-modern super-genius I don't know what it's going to take. Is the Governor going to be guest blogging elsewhere? Kos perhaps? Hey Joe, teach Howard how to make links...
Elliot
That was just like blogging, except that instead of a blog entry, we got a press release instead --- cutting edge work by Professor Lessig and Governor Dean!
Woo-hoo.
Joe, while kudos is due to you for your efforts, my discontent is more with the
blog-hype. There's nothing wrong with Howard Dean doing a guest appearance. That's nice. But on the other hand, I just can't work up much fervor over it. It's along the lines of "Howard Dean was willing to speak to our community group of a few hundred people." Great. I find out more about him, he finds out more about the community, another day on the campaign trail, perhaps a good one. But really, nothing which is going to make me think he's something entirely new in politics. Again, it's good, in the way a local appearance is good. But nothing more.
I haven't seen much from Dean campaign regarding the evolving "It was only 16 words, get over it already." scandal. I think inserting that the inclusion of this particular sentance in the State of the Union Address, (SOTU), demonstrates indictable crimes were committed by the gang at the White House. I also think that a Special Proscecutor needs to be appointed because Ashcroft will never do anything about it.
George Tenent's non-apology made a few things clear:
1. The CIA tried to get the infamous 16 words out of the State of the Union Address, but;
2. Un-named others insisted that it be inserted;
3. The 16 words were known to be, uhm, dubious by the CIA; and,
4. By golly, George was really, really, really sorry that he didn't argue hard enough to have this obvious tripe removed.
That said, one thing that hasn't been touched on here is how Tenent's statement leaves Bush & Co. open to criminal proscecution.
Bush presenting dubious/fictious information to Congress in the SOTU was a felony. Go to: U.S. Code Search and look up 18 USC Sec. 1001. It says, in part, and with emphasis added:
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully -
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes ANY materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses ANY false writing or document knowing the same to contain ANY materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(deleted material)
(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to -
(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; . . .
The Constitution mandates the President deliver a State of the Union Address, "from time to time." The President may, at his choosing, deliver the information orally, but he must deliver it to Congress in writing as well. Ergo, the SOTU is "a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress." as defined in paragraph 18 USC Sec. 1001 (c)1. Therefore, Bush's lies in the SOTU are felony violations of 18 USC Sec. 1001.
Tenant's statement implies there was a group of un-named others who worked tirelessly to include such, uhm, fictitious, information in the SOTO in violation of 18 USC Sec. 1001. Which, of course, is a violation of 18 USC Sec. 371 Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States. And the fact that Tenant knew this, or suspected it, concealed it, and did "not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States." leaves him and his un-named co-conspirators liable for prosecution for misprision of felony, 18 USC Sec. 4.
Cheers!
Seth -- I agree with what you say completely -- but then when was that last time a serious Presidential candidate stopped by to visit this community?
All I am saying is that we are trying to be a new force in our country's politics -- an open campaign, collaborative, and powered by small contributions of millions of Americans.
Washington knows the power of only one thing now -- money.
You are not going to change much in Washington on the issues you care about -- until you own the place again.
If a couple of million Americans contributed $100 to a campaign they believed was different -- it would be different -- and the difference would be that the people would own their government again.
Its not a radical idea -- its the truth -- the barrier is the cynisim that stops people from believing its possible.
And stopping by this community isn't going to break down that barrier -- but we have to start somewhere. And if not on Lessig's blog...where?
Thanks
Joe Trippi
campaign manager
Dean for America
Nomination: JOE TRIPPI TAKE OVER AS GUEST-BLOGGER
Joe, I started writing this post before reading your reply, but your reply has made me even more in favor of the idea.
Instead of any ghost-writing of Dean's material ("if there's a day I can't make
it, Joe Trippi, my campaign manager, will fill in for me"), why not skip the boring rehashed position papers, and write more about something which is indeed interesting and innovative, in a political-science sense. That is, your use of the Internet as a campaign tool.
I'm finding your comments about your thinking about improving organizing for campaigns, by effective use of interconnections, to be vastly more interesting and meaty than anything up in the official blathering.
Who cares about another missive regarding "My position on the Fredonia situations is ..."?
We're getting the marketing material from the Dean campaign now. You're giving us the source code which runs the "product", and that's much more Lessig-ish in terms of social and architectural implications of "code".
Although concerns about much of the legislation in the works does hinder much of the freedoms we have learned to appreciate over the years, the case remains that much of the laws and legislation recently have been intended to overcome weakness involving different times.
For example, the idea of one company owning papers, telecommunications, etc may seem to hinder some of the freedoms, but there is also a business aspect to consider. If you have information published in a newspaper, the audience is limited to the area that it is distributed to. If you expand you ownership to include telecommunications as well, then you are able to pass these same views via other larger audience. The concern of one company owning a majority was relevant when only 3-5 stations existed, but with well over 200 channels available at the moment, each channel is lucky to gain enough of an audience to make it worth staying in business. To overcome the diversity in content and the likely small revenue for a lesser channel, it is beneficial for a large station to subsidize the lesser channels so that this same content can continue to be.
That being said and although I don't know the current state of it, I believe that already legislation is in the works to over come some of the changes recently made by the FCC.
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On the matter of the Dixie Chicks...I have no idea what in the world you are talking about in this situation with the Dixie Chicks....they made a statement which was partly done to gain the trust of an unfriendly audience in light of the current atmosphere, partly to express here freedom of speech, and partly to express her concern about the situation as it were. I accept here rights to express as she did, however she also had to think of the outcome.
Country music listeners, in general, tend to be a more conservative bunch with similar beliefs. In general, this audience is more likely to not be in support of the views expressed by the Dixie Chicks. From this perspective, the audience (not the radio stations) would be more likely to not buy Dixie Chicks products, would call in to ask that Dixie Chicks not be played, etc. The music business (as well as it’s over pricing of CDs to make as much money as they can) had to adapt to the audiences concerns, which included taking them off the air for a time. Clear Case for all its movement away from live content, also is concerned about what the audience wants.
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I am not a student or aquaintance of Professor Lessig and have not made my choice on future candidates in the presidencial arena. All this being said, although I find it useful to express ideas and express your platform, I find a "Guest Post" hosted at an educational institute in place of a staff member of the same educational institute to be quite unethical if only one perspective is expressed.
By this I mean, educational institutes are suppose to be an independent impartial place where ideas are expressed and students are allows to make their own decisions, not a place to promote one sided thinking (liberal or conservative). This in general, I think is somewhat of a flaw in educational institutes that tend to promote a bias agenda in general.
Realizing that this is law school where politics is a major topic, I would hope that to avoid giving the impression of a biased view, that you would allow other "Guest Posts" be allowed as well to express alternative views.
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With regards to the presidents current situation regarding the false statements in the state of the union address. I believe that with all the areas that the president has to be privledge too, that it is unrealistic that one person could be expected to be an expert and aware of their authencitiy at all times. This falls to their staff and agencies under his control. I regret to say, that most likely it was a flaw made by someone under the president which may have partically pushed us into a war with men losing their lives each day. Because of this I agree that someone is accountable for these statements, however that statement alone was not the only statement in the case for it. Not only were the 17 UN mandates which Iraq was not in complance, but past indiscresions (such as chemical attacks on Iraqis) were not accounted for.
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All these statements being made, I am thankful for giving me a change to express my views here as well.
I wish you well on your campaign.
Jake:
Thank you for the legal documentation. While it seems obvious that including misleading information in a SOTU, especially when it was used to justify war, is an impeachable offense, I didn't have the legal references that prove it is.
But I have a concern: if Bush were impeached, Cheney would be president. Right? This is not a reason to bypass justice, but a concern nevertheless.
Seth -- Thanks for the nomination -- we can do both-- the Governor's time to blog is limited due to his schedule (something we have to think harder about for the next time we do something like this). He will post what he can each day -- and I will do my best to in comments from time to time to explain some of our thinking and the "code".
We are at a moment in our politics where the "code" is the people -- it is time for people to participate in their self-government again -- put their own self interests aside and join together for the common good.
Television took people out of the political process -- it made campaigns about nothing more than big money to pay for TV spots. The Internet and the grassroots -- are powerful enough now to put back what television took out -- the people.
Joe Trippi
campaign manager
Dean for America
Questions about who put the 16 words in the speech have finally been answered by Bush himself.
See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56336-2003Jul14.html?nav=hptop_tb
He said: "Subsequent to the speech, the CIA had some doubts. But when they talked about the speech and when they looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn't have put it in the speech." [emphasis mine]
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Rep. Abercrombie, last night on CSPAN, brought up a very good point. Who originated the Niger uranium document? Why was it originated? I'm wondering, too, why has its origin not been investigated?
As a Mac user, I'm saddened by Phoenix Woman's analogy of comparing John Kerry's campaign to Apple Computers, but I love the idea of calling the Howard Dean campaign an "open source" presidential campaign! Absolutely brilliant! And Joe Trippi was an advisor with Progeny Linux Systems? What a hoot!
Howard Dean has proven once again that he "gets it." He understands the nature of infastructures that most Americans don't even think about.
The exchange of ideas in an intelligent forum is intoxicating! I can't wait to see Dean debate Bush next year, right after he wins the primaries! To quote another, "bring them on!"
Ellen Theisen makes a good point on impeachment -- who would want Cheney as Prez? -- and that's why I tell everyone I can that what is appropriate is censure. That was MoveOn's position in 1998 (censure Clinton, and move on). Clearly, Bush's deception is an offense worthy of censure.
Dr. Dean and Staff,
I am curious about your position on medical tort reform. I know groups like the AMA are trying to work for their members by supporting a cap on non-economic damages resulting from malpractice. While I agree that physicians should be protected from frivolous lawsuits, I also believe the decision of what is and is not frivolous should be left to a judge and jury. I am also concerned that such a cap will have a long term negative effect in terms of quality of care. If there is a limited economic consequence to a health care provider for mistakes what level of incentive is there to fix them?
I think it is better to correct mistakes before they happen. Many studies have shown that medical mistakes are made due to fatigue. Airline pilots are restricted to flying a certain number of hours in order to keep them from making mistakes. Doctors have no such restrictions. Should they?
Best of luck and keep up the good work.
Nice picture, but you are also free to use this one if you'd like.
'And stopping by this community isn’t going to break down that barrier — but we have to start somewhere. And if not on Lessig’s blog…where?"
Joe Trippi, I'll give you a list of sites where you can talk to the people.
Here are a few links. This site was a very good start though.
http://www.slashdot.org
http://www.kuro5hin.org/
http://www.techtv.com/
http://cc.collegeclub.com/
Not all of these sites are tech sites, each one however has a loyal audience of over 100,000 viewers. Slashdot being the oldest and biggest, I suggest Dean conduct a Slashdot interview, and even respond to a few comments on the forum.
Kuro5hin would also be a place where he can make a few comments, techTV would be a good place to go on TV and do a live interview.
Zeropaid is interested in the whole P2P debate, there is over 40 million P2P users alone in the USA and if someone were to actually listen to their concerns it would mean alot. Zeropaid is the main P2P community.
Collegeclub is a community filled with college students, a good place to ask questions and get answers, also a place to see what the youth in this country are thinking about. Alot of young people don't vote, but if Dean were to connect with the youth in this country, and perhaps address some of their concerns he'd get votes. College is expensive, its not getting cheaper and alot of students would like Deans opinions on how he will improve the education system.
Dean is doing a very good job, better than any politician since Clinton when it comes to connecting to the people. This is what Gore lacked, Bush also lacked this, if Dean can connect with the people, he will get their votes and not just their votes but he will win their loyalty and support. People will believe in him and donate time and money.
By the way I forgot to give the URL to Zeropaid.
Its http://www.zeropaid.com,
http://eff.org/ is a good site to do research on the issues that bother people. The main thing that bothers people is the unfair DMCA law. There are others however, so Joe if you plan to do this, conduct alot of research on the issues, there are plenty of papers and if I can help you out further just let me know.
"The Internet and the grassroots — are powerful enough now to put back what television took out — the people."
Joe I honestly hope you mean that. Please do your best to keep the balance of the internet. Currently media companies are doing their best to control the internet and make it into a tv like device.
Ellen,
Simple, go after Cheney first. Indict him for felony conspiracy. Odds are he'd resign, hey, Spiro Agnew resigned when he was indicted for tax evasion. It could happen. Once Cheney's gone, indict Bush for both lying to Congress and conspiracy, arrest him, try him and convict him. Then impeach. I believe that having a felony conviction bars you from holding the office of president. Ergo, impeachment and removal from office are mandatory.
Since I know you're listening over here, Joe (:-) I'll second some of the opinion on the campaign blog about how the Doc's postings over here are going over.
It is, IMHO, precisely the edge cases of how you handle interaction with the grassroots that will define the campaign. Yes, it is *exceedingly* difficult and time consuming to be at the pointy end of this many spears. I haven't been there on the presidential campaign level, obviously, but I've had some pretty big spears pointed at me.
But if you're going to talk the direct-involvement talk, you have to walk the walk. Everyone knows the Gov hasn't got the time to answer every individual question, and any specific person who complains that their specific hobby horse isn't being ridden hasn't got much of a leg to stand on -- as long as *some* specific questions are getting answered.
Even I, even with Dean, expect that *which* questions will get answered will be a cherry-pick, for the things you've got answers figured out for yet, but I have to agree with the posting that Christopher crossed at blogfor: this is not the territory for drive-by blogging.
And yes, I really *do* think that, having decided to do this, you need to re-prioritize it right near the top of the pile. It sets a very bad precedent otherwise. Perhaps some additional forethought would have been good before diving in this particular lake. But you're in here now.
And turning on a dime to deal with the important stuff is what a President *does*... the horizontal skills are just as important as the vertical ones.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Step 5: Visit these message boards and post this message as a new message by highlighting the text of this message from your notepad and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the subject, this will be the header that everybody sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group. Click the post message button. You've done your first one! Congratulations!!! All You have to do is jump to different news groups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each news group! REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!!!! (But you have to post a minimum of 200). That's it!!! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days!!! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT!!! Now the why part. Out of 200 postings, say you receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then you made $5.00 with your name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who sent you $1.00 make the minimum 200 postings, each with your name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for you. Now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with your name at #4 and only 5 replies each, you will bring in an additional $125.00!!!! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the minimum 200 with your name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, you will make an additional $625.00!!! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a minimum 200 messages with your name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made you $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 news groups, If just 5 more reply you will receive $15,625.00!!! All with an original investment of only $6.00!!! Amazing isn't it!!!! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the news groups and send out another $6.00 to the names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. You must realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these messages every day!!! Just like you are now!!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works? I'm glad I did!!! People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money?" So what!!! What are the chances of that happening, when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and news groups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day!!! REMEMBER PLAY HONESTLY AND FAIRLY AND THIS WILL REALLY WORK!!! --comments/feedback(please post your feedback/experiences here)--- Not bad for 1 hr's work....made me around $5320 in roughly 35 days Anthony M Texas Hello, I rcvd 269 bucks in the post in 2 weeks. Dan Miami, FL I had to wait around 10 days before I had any results - $13,450 as of 3rd Jan 2003 to date(14th Feb 2003).Am going to re-post it again for more money!! Del from Alberta - Canada Only received around $588 in the post the last 2 months since I started The program but I'd posted to approx. 100 newsgroups. James P Manchester UK cool....didn't expect much out of this "scam" initially but I have pay my credit card bill Mustafa , Jordan I have received money from people all over the world...here in China it is very good money and I buy new computer last month Zhong Wen ...Guangxi CHina For $6,I made $246 in 2 weeks --ROMEO2326 little rock,AR US of A Hey, just dropping a line to say that after posting to well over 820 newsgroups on google and my ISP newsgroup server over a period of 4 1/2 months ,I've raked in $54280 . Mucho dinero baby!!!! Peace, Drew Dallas TX I hope whom ever receives my envelopes enjoys the crispy new dollar bills. Great program, I just started receiving cash. S.C.B
WOW! This really works!!!!
EXCELLENT CASH INCOME I started out with $6. Now, I am making
thousands. I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A
little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are
now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could
make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment
of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like
most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you
send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the article.
You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at
#6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are
thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and
talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured:
"what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I
invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!?... within 7 days, I
started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would
end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made
about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over
$1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still
growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth
$6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let
me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it works... Also,
make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the
information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you follow
the directions exactly, that you will start making more money than you
thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this
entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow the
simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's legal.
And your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT: This is not
a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is 99% no risk
- it really works! If all of the following instructions are adhered to,
you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Follow these
directions EXACTLY, and $50,000.00 or more can be yours in 20 to 60
days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and
integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully
adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail
Order business. In this business your product is not solid and
tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing
Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality
lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to
the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be
included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: STEP 1:Get
6 separate pieces of paper and write down your name and address
followed by the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST" on each of
them. Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6
pieces of paper so the bill will not be visible through the envelope
(to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes
and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a
piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a
$1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are
paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little
worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the
U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed
legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:
1) V ZUBKOV4827 N. Mayhew Rd.Spokane, WA 99216
2) Dave Rashila, 155 Bank St, New York City, NY 10014
3) Matilde Tomala, 463 West St # 909, NYC 10014-2010
4) Venoe Day,55 Bethune St, New York, NY 10014
5) Jessica Napolitano,169 Cottage st, Everett MA, 02149
6) A.E.Thomas 535 Corte Hermosa Fountain, CO 80817-4600
STEP 2:Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as
number 6 on the list. STEP 3:Change anything you need to, but try to
keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your
amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to
24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post,
the more money you make! You won't get very much unless you post like
crazy. This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title
18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these
steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again,
and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because
of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully
adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of
integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others
have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every
name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and
keeps the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly
providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill
in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is
downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be
reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar
each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your
name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars
in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the
first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the
list and you're in business! ---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO
NEWSGROUPS---------- Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire
letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning
of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and
select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into
the computer's memory.Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and places
your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select
'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you
can add your name to the list. Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a
.txt file. If you want to do your postings in different settings,
you'll always have this file to go back to. Step 4) Use Netscape or
Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line
forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit these
message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting
the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in
the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll
through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post
message button. You're done with your first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS
YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE! BUT: YOU HAVE TO POST A
MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around
the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due
to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay
anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will
deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now, each
of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 makes the MINIMUM 200 postings,
each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the
original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200
MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring
in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post
the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I
will make an additional $625.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of
those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and
they each only receive 5 replies that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those
3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my
name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will
receive $15,625,00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING!
When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest
posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the
list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The
thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all over
the world are joining the internet and reading these articles
everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if
it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is
played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the
chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday
and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new
users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet.
Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work!
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Make Money Fast by Transforming 6 Dollars into Thousands of Dollars
Here's a legal way to supplement your income by earning thousands of dollars using the standard mail delivery service.
IT WAS PROVEN on Oprah and is COMPLETELY LEGAL!
You Can Laugh at Money Worries if You Follow This Simple Plan!
This is an opportunity for people who would like to work at home, and is an opportunity for them to invest time to get the lifestyle they have been wanting!
READ ON: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out or download it.)
I found this on a bulletin board, and decided to try it.
Step 1: Get 6 separate one dollar bills, get 6 pieces of paper and write the following on the paper PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. Wrap each dollar bill in each note, and include your name and address. Next mail the envelopes to the six people on the list.
Step 2: Now take the number 1 name off the list below, and move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, 2 becomes 1, etc.) Make sure to add your name as number 6 on the list.
Step 3: Now post your article to at least 200 newsgroups and message boards. The more you post the more responses you’ll get, and the more money you’ll make!
DIRECTIONS TO POST: (1)=open a blank word processor file(MS Word, Notepad, etc.), and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the edit menu select paste. Past a copy of this letter onto the word processor document so you can add your name to the list. (2)=save your new word processor file as text file. (3)=Log on to search engines like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com, excite.com, etc. then you search with the subject “money making message board”, “millionaire message board” or “money making forum” etc. (4)=Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of the letter and selecting paste from the edit menu, paste it. Fill in the subject, this will be the header that everyone will see as they scroll through the list of the posted groups. Click the post button, submit button, etc. You are done with the first one! Just copy and paste the same letter to the other groups. It will take about 30 seconds for each group. Remember the more newsgroups or message boards you post the more money you will make! You have to post a minimum of 200. That’s it! You will be soon be receiving money from all over the world, you may eventually need to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will be receiving. If you want to stay anonymous, you can make up a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. Just make sure all addresses are correct. When your money begins to come in, give it the first 10 percent to charity with spirit and share a good fortune!
The List:
1.Nichlas St. Lawrence, 689A Victory Hwy., West Greenwich RI 02817
2.Ryan Joseph, 338 N.College St., Newcomerstown OH 43832
3.Meg Nunn, 528 17th Place, Snohomish WA 98290
4.Benjamin Richards, 1587 Moonbeam LN, Chula Vista CA 91915
5.Ryan Miller, 588 Railroad St., Newcomerstown OH 43832
6.Robert McLeod, PO Box 496, Oxon Hill MD 20750