old news: Dan's great piece on Gore/Dean
I've been on dial-up in the old country, and finally found a broadband connection, so catching up: Dan's got a great piece on the great Gore news.
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I've been on dial-up in the old country, and finally found a broadband connection, so catching up: Dan's got a great piece on the great Gore news.
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Ok, I'll guess first. 'old country' = UK?
My guess is Pennsylvania.
-kd
OFFTOPIC, but since there isn't a "Free culture" thread on the board today, this is the only place I can think of to post this query.
Did anyone here attend This conference last May ?
Howard Dean presents a very interesting conflict for me personally. Like our host, I was grown to be a staunch Republican (and Southern Baptist) and, like him, the more I learn and experience, the less common ground I find with the values I grew up with.
For example: I agree with Howard Dean when he questions our entrance into the war with Iraq, but having served with the 101st Airborne Division, I'm much more interested in my fellow soldiers' welfare than second-guessing the motives that landed them there. I believe that Dean needs to shift his focus to a plan to withdraw our troops and finish the mission rather than continuously harp on the Bush administration's reasons for putting them there in the first place. In other words, on this issue, I'd like to see a more pragmatic Howard Dean.
Another example not really related to Dean, but still a divisive liberal/conservative disconnect in my mind: What's with the current Ten Commandments issue? It seems to me that it's a waste of taxpayers' money to litigate such a non-issue. Perhaps it's the last vestige of conservatism in me, but I am amazed that this has become such a focal point in American jurisprudence and politics. Liberals should view the Ten Commandments in much the same way that they choose to view topics like pornography and abortion: If it offends you, don't look at it and/or stay away from it. Otherwise, leave it alone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...and I'd be very curious to hear the arguments supporting the assertion that displaying the Ten Commandments somehow "breaks" our society.
I'm pretty stoked about Dean's use of the Internet, although I attribute most of the credit for that to Trippi. If we can keep the Internet free and more politicians learn from Dean's example, this country might just get a Clue about how to be a democratic republic. Doc Searls in 2008? :)
--Jason
The issue is displaying the Ten Commandments as official installations in courthouses, schools, and so forth -- places where even liberals don't want pornography posted! So there's not really a contradiction there.
welcome to Geneva!!
WSIS has not free wireless?
Jason,
I've read countless comments about Dean's lack of a war plan. Frankly, I think not creating a war plan is the smartest thing he can not do. I laugh at the canidates that try to give specific steps they will take to resolve the situation because not a one of them knows what the situation will be Jan 2005.
It was only 8 months ago that we entered Iraq. Consider the problems and faulty solutions we've tried to implement thus far. Think about how much that situation will change over the next 13 months.
You know what's more exciting and relevant than hearing about Dean's endorsement? Hearing about all the candidate's relevant ideas from their own mouths. I found it refreshing when Kucinich, Sharpton, and Braun spoke out again Koppel's desire to turn that debate into a campaign ad for Dean. These candidates wanted to talk about the issues instead of being judged by poll standings and campaign funds. The horse race and follow-the-leader is what hurts our ability to make informed decisions about the candidates. We should be encouraged to vote on the issues and with our hearts. We should not be encouraged to follow the campaign funds and vote for whomever has the most money or the latest endorsement news. I think the San Francisco mayoral race (where a Democrat outspend his Green party competition by 10 to 1 and only narrowly beat the Green) shows that a big voter turnout can help close the gap in funding.
Hi Drew,
Could you clarify this statement for me please:
"Frankly, I think not creating a war plan is the smartest thing he can not do."
The double-negatives probably undermined your meaning. If English is not your primary language, perhaps we could understand each other via babelfish.
--Jason
A stunning new poll shows President Bush would clobber Democratic front-runner Howard Dean by nearly 2-1 in politically potent New Hampshire - even though Dean has a giant lead over Democratic rivals in the state.
in new hampshire my friends. howard dean is from neighboring vermont.
it is difficult to believe that howard dean will carry a national vote. sure, he'll get the ralph nader vote that al gore lost, but the numbers suggest he'll loose the huge mass of voters in the middle who voted for bill clinton in 92 and 96 and al gore in 2000.
bill clinton's (actually james carville's) winning strategy was to distance himself from the "democratic wing of the democratic party." remember the DLC? the"new democrats" unseated a popular republican and carried influence deep into the congress.
running to the far left of GWB will produce a repeat of the 1972 presidential election where mcgovern won in one state: tiny massachusetts.
and if you don't like the comparison to mcgovern, how about this guy? he didn't do much better.
"Great" Gore news? Is that an endorsement by implication? :-)
tbm:
You've got two misconceptions going.
The first is a simple one--that Howard Dean is a far-left candidate. That's a far-out statement--even Dean's opposition to the war is nothing like, say, Dennis Kucinich's position. What is meant by "far-left" these days is, apparently, "FDR/LBJ liberal"--and Dean is a bit to the right of even that.
The second is more complex--the idea that Clinton's politics of personality was good for the Democratic Party. You say the”new democrats” unseated a popular republican and carried influence deep into the congress but, in fact, Bush 41 was not all that popular by the time of the election, and the influence carried into the Congress was Republican. It was under the "new democrats" that the Democratic majority in Congress was lost. The "new democrats" abandoned their core constituencies, adopted Republican policies, and lost their majority.
It worked to get Clinton elected--but, as Robert Caro pointed out in his newest volume on LBJ, "Power corrupts--that has been said and written so often that it has become a cliché. But what is never said, but is just as true, is that power reveals. When a man is climbing, trying to persuade others to give him power, he must conceal those traits that might make others reluctant to give it to him. Once the man has power, it is no longer necessary for him to hide those traits." Power reveals.
Speaking for the moment as an Arkansawyer, I suffered watching Clinton the governor, never once voting for him in a primary election, yet always grudgingly giving him my vote in the general election. When he finally ran for President, I was thrilled to vote for him. "At last," I thought, "the real Bill Clinton will be revealed." What was revealed was a great empty void at the man's center, a petty selfishness in governance that we'd thought was only the man's surface. It turned out that, as Bob Dylan says, "Nothing was revealed."
Power reveals. In LBJ, it revealed, as Caro says, "compassion for the downtrodden, and...a passion to raise them up...to help, moreover, those who most needed help." In Reagan, a right-wing governor was revealed to be a relative moderate on domestic policy--Bush 43, just the reverse.
Anyway, that's the personal politics of Clinton. As to its effect on the Democratic Party, Michael Tomasky takes a generous view here. After acknowledging what he sees as Clinton's accomplishments, he says:
"But there is one way in which Clinton did not rebuild the Democratic Party: from the ground up. Beyond rhetoric, and the occasional action, he didn't really make it a party of the people. He and Al Gore did energize a youth vote in 1992, and he made millions of voters who'd been disaffected feel comfortable voting Democratic again, bringing important states like New Jersey back into the Democratic camp.
"But he never situated the party as an entity that represented the aspirations of its people—its most committed members. Back to Newton: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And the reaction to bringing the party to the center and allying it more closely with corporate donors was that the people at the bottom of the totem pole felt a little detached. (Remember: Fierce loyalty to Clinton within the party's base didn't really kick into fifth gear until the Monica Lewinsky scandal, when many progressives defended Clinton less because of the man himself than because of what they saw as a functional coup d'état.)
"This is where Dean comes in."
And where I will leave it for now, as I have some pretty good code to finish up for an even better cause.
I have always liked Dan Gilmor's stuff. It would be nice to think (as he ponders) that the technology axis explains the endorsement. But there is no evidence to support that theory. It is simply a correlation, not causation.
However, there is a lot of evidence that the Democratic party is fractured along a few fault lines, with real consequences: Clinton's people vs. Gore's people, union people vs. DLC people, pragmatic midwestern governors vs. dogmatic east- and west-coast congressmen. Dean and Gore share a common animus toward the most powerful people in the Democratic establishment right now - who are justifiably nervous about Dean's electability.
I see Gore and Dean as two different sides of the same internet coin. Al Gore is the brilliant policy wonk who has spent lots of time studying technology and the internet. He really, really gets it. Dean has profited from the changes that the Internet is bringing to campaigns, but does not show on the stump that he knows anything about technology - per se - as Gore does.
I would be happy to discover that the Gore-Dean alliance is about issues. But right now - all signs point to it being about people. I hope I'm wrong.
Anyone else think Al Gore wants to be Vice President under Dean, to prime his image for another race in 2008 or 2012?
Ed,
"However, there is a lot of evidence that the Democratic party is fractured along a few fault lines, with real consequences..."
I can support that statement anectdotally. My own group of friends at the local pub consists of about 5 of us that one could objectively label "liberal" and one who claims to be "libertarian" but suspiciously supports every position taken by the Republican party (which by no means devalues his opinions...he is a great sport in that he understands that disagreement does not have to breed contempt). What I have observed is that the "liberals" have a hard time coming to a concensus with each other when our more conservative friend is absent. Yet when our conservative friend is present, we all seem to unite in attacking his ideas. It's a fascinating phenomenon to behold, but it worries me when considering the concept of The Loyal Opposition. If left-leaning, free-thinking, intellectuals cannot agree on a position because of their very nature, it does not seem much of a stretch to worry that the future of our nation is in the hands of the blissfully ignorant.
The key solution of course is education, and it's interesting to observe the home-schooling and magnet school efforts currently being employed instead of the typical public school solutions. What remains to be seen (at least by this layman's eyes) and scientifically documented are the sociological effects of these attempts.
--K.
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