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(1) Read what Dean said about privacy here.

(2) Read what Declan said Dean said about privacy here.

Andy O's got a nice piece of reporting about this "reporting" at The Register.

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Comments (21)

Dennis Kucinich is the only true progressive in the race with a good vision of where this country should be going anyway.

I think Declan is running an AI bot while he's away. His latest rant on politics could be interpreted as anti-democratic. He's lost my vote. ;-)

from: http://politechbot.com/pipermail/politech/2004-January/000356.html

"Actually it is logical to shy away from politics. The costs of
learning enough about every candidate's positions on the issues you
care about so you can make an informed decision are high. (Quick:
Where does each Democrat stand on H1B visas?) There is also a cost
involved in going to the polling place. In nearly all elections, the
actual benefits (as opposed to the feel-good psychological benefits)
are low. In addition, politicians tend to employ inflammatory
rhetoric, weak reasoning, and sometimes just say nonsense. Paying
attention to politicians can make you dumb."

January 27, 2004 9:23 AM three blind mice:

great. another bash mccullagh FPP, supported by a link to The Register of all sources.

well, let’s see what the good doctor had to say. (Via wave)

“We must develop flexible solutions that will likely require the use of Smart Cards and some form of hardened security in a reader or desktop device. For example, one state’s Smart Card driver’s license must be identifiable by another state’s card reader. It must also be easily commercialized by the private sector and included in all PCs over time – making the Internet safer and more secure. In an age where identity and trust are paramount, the fact remains that the only viable form of universal identity in the U.S. today is the state-issued driver’s license. … We must tighten driver’s license standards among the states. Fortunately this work has already begun, led by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators’ Rask Force on ID Security.

Beyond that, we must move to smarter license cards that carry secure digital information that can be universally read at all vital checkpoints.”

well, what does dean really mean when he says “we must move to smarter license cards that carry secure digital information that can be UNIVERSALY read at ALL vital checkpoints” if he is not calling for an ID card with biometric data identifying the user at ALL computers?

trying to paper over this by saying….

"We will not, and should not, tolerate a call to erode privacy even further - far from it. Americans can only be assured that their personal identity and information are safe and protected when they are able to gain more control over this information and its use."

doesn't really cut it. one cannot call for the mandatory use of computer access cards and then say we are gaining more control over our personal information without making the leap that government will provide the necessary protection.

so it’s back to the pseudonymity argument – where government protects access to our real identities while we are required to always proffer a fake one linked to it.

a good idea? ask valerie plame.

Dean's speech offered lip service to the ideals of privacy and decentralization, while actively promoting a concrete, effective, and detailed plan to undermine them and centrally control Internet access, and he hasn't repudiated this position. The plan bears remarkable simiilarities to the dystopian futures outlined in "Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace" and "The Digital Imprimatur". I agree that Declan should have mentioned the lip service, but I think he recognized the important aspect of Dean's speech: it's an attack on our fundamental rights.

January 27, 2004 9:48 AM trickofperspective:

well, what does dean really mean when he says “we must move to smarter license cards that carry secure digital information that can be UNIVERSALY read at ALL vital checkpoints” if he is not calling for an ID card with biometric data identifying the user at ALL computers?

If he's not calling for an ID card with biometric data identifying the user at ALL computers, he most assuredly means that the smart cards should be of compatable formats. And I'm fairly sure he means the latter.

January 27, 2004 10:21 AM Matthew Saroff:

I've never quite understood how McCullagh keeps his job.

He's a randroid media whore, and an oftimes paid speaker for Cato and their ilk.

His conflicts on interest rival those of George Will.

How on earth cn his editors trust the guy?

January 27, 2004 12:24 PM Chris Williams:

Well, I read Dean's remarks, and Declan's response, but I do not see what Declan has misread. Does anyone else know what Declan got wrong?

January 27, 2004 12:56 PM three blind mice:

If he’s not calling for an ID card with biometric data identifying the user at ALL computers, he most assuredly means that the smart cards should be of compatable formats. And I’m fairly sure he means the latter. (sic)

trickofperspective, no disagreement here. we are fairly sure he means the latter too. the question is what secure information is to be contained on those smart cards? and used for what purpose?

kragen sitaker, we agree that it appears that mr. mccullagh captured the essence of dr. dean's remarks, but what are the fundamental rights to which you refer?

chris williams, we're with you, it's hard to see why professor lessig accused mr. mccullagh of not being able to read.

January 27, 2004 1:06 PM three blind mice:

seth finkelstein, your remarks seem off topic (or is it assumed that any FPP that mentions mr. mccullagh is an invitation to assassinate his character?)

do you think this particular article misrepresented dr. dean's remarks?

three blind mice: My remarks were specifically to answer Matthew Saroff, where he asked "I've never quite understood how McCullagh keeps his job. ... How on earth can his editors trust the guy?"

That's not a nice question, and my reply wasn't a nice message either. However, I believe all the information in it was relevant to the question raised, and generally on-topic (I did note I was reposting that material, since it came up earlier too, I thought that was acceptable).

I acknowledge the unpleasantness of the material, and disclaim any concept I am disinterested. However, I do not believe it is improper in this context. I recognize I'm vulnerable to ad-hominem argument on the point (i.e., dismissal because of interest, or attack on my own character). I try to do the best I can given the inherent problems here.

I don't get it, aren't they all saying bad privacy things? What's wrong with the Declan article?

I guess the question is - do you want more technology used by the government? when you intersect with this technology, how would you like it secured? If you could renew your drivers license by taking test at your own PC would you prefer that to waiting in line? If you were submitting plans to city or county planning commission, would you like to be able to do that electronically? If so, how would you like it secured?

I think that all of us would like government to cost less, and if they use the same technologies that make the private sector more efficient, then it's hard to argue against it. And if they are going to implement technologies, shouldn't we be debating the best ways to secure privacy rather than saying that it's all bad.

Like genetically modified food, it's gonna happen. I don't really want genetically modified food introduced into my diet, but I don't have a huge choice about it unless I only eat things I cook and verify having come from organic source. Likewise, government will use technology.

The question is how to engineer proper checks and balances (like the constitution) so that the system has at least a chance of not being abused.

January 27, 2004 10:25 PM Chris Williams:

Seth, thanks very much for that detailed reply. I'm a big fan of Phil Agre -- always happy to encounter a reference to his work.

Two observations about this exercise: First, I think the distortions are more obvious if one reads Declan first, and then Dean. I read Dean first, so when I read Declan's paraphrases, I tended to mentally translate them back to Dean's original meaning. Thus, his depiction of Dean's proposals struck me as tolerably accurate. Someone reading Declan cold would likely take his words literally and see Dean's positions as much more extreme than they really were.

Second, my response to Dean's own words was already negative, so I didn't react with surprise when Declan's account struck me as negative, too. His claim that Dean suggested requiring card readers on all PCs -- a suggestion that makes me squirm -- is essentially correct in my eyes, although his implication that Dean named specific computer makers is a dishonest embellishment. I also agree with Declan's view that a national ID card would diminish privacy, so while I'm aware that Dean expressed his opposition to reducing privacy, I do feel he supported a proposal that would do just that.

I suggest that in most cases of subtle distortion, like that in Declan's article, we only detect it when it gives us a gut feeling that something isn't right. It makes a claim that we feel can't be true, or it presents a person whom we regard positively in a negative light. Only when we disagree do we investigate.

That said, upon more careful reading, I see two of Declan's claims as false: one, that Dean proposed requiring an ID card to log into any personal computer; and two, that while Dean now seeks to protect Americans' privacy, he once supported reducing it. On the first point, Dean clearly mentions specific Internet resources or sites that would require a card for access. However, I think a layperson could reach a conclusion similar to Declan's (although Declan should know better). For example, Dean mentions "ensur[ing] that employees accessing the state's network are indeed who they say they are," which, if you're a state employee, might indeed mean swiping a card before logging into your work PC. Several sentences later Dean urges his audience to work on "set[ting] the standards for securing devices for all of us, not just those accessing state resources." Connect these two statements and it's a small leap from requiring card access for state workers to requiring card access for all. A few sentences later Dean says that card reader technology "must also be easily commercialized by the private sector and included in all PCs over time -- making the Internet safer and more secure." For some people, accessing the Internet is synonymous with logging on, as in "log onto the Internet."

Declan's second claim is bluntly refuted by Dean's words: "We will not, and should not, tolerate a call to erode privacy even further-- far from it." Despite this, I do find it difficult to reconcile his words with my opinion of his proposal.

January 28, 2004 12:53 AM three blind mice:

For example, Declan writes:

“Dean also suggested that computer makers such as Apple Computer, Dell, Gateway and Sony should be required to include an ID card reader in PCs--and Americans would have to insert their uniform IDs into the reader before they could log on. “One state’s smart-card driver’s license must be identifiable by another state’s card reader,” Dean said. “It must also be easily commercialized by the private sector and included in all PCs over time--making the Internet safer and more secure.”

BOMB.

seth finkelstein this would seem to be more of a WMD than a bomb, i.e. something you want to see rather than something that is really there.

dr. dean said that this hypothetical card reader should be included “in all PCs over time.” it’s in the quote which you yourself selected and which we reproduced above. (it is also consistent with the rest of his remarks.)

how is it a “bomb” for mr. mccullagh to place dr. dean’s remarks into context for his readers by mentioning the well-known manufacturers of PCs and the impact this may have on individual users? it does not seem to be a misrepresentation.

it's rather difficult for us to see your and professor lessig's remarks as uncoloured by prejuidice.

anyway, in light of the results of new hampshire, discussing howard dean is probably off-topic.

January 28, 2004 1:18 AM Nathanael Nerode:

Yes, Dean is guilty of not understanding the technology he promoted. (Definitely a bad thing.)

No, he's not guilty of being anti-privacy.

This is pretty obvious from his remarks. :-/ Just remember these words to live by: "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence."

--
Regarding New Hampshire, the one certainty learned there is that Lieberman should drop out. Does he really think he has a chance?
Kucinich and Sharpton should drop out too, but they have so little support it probably makes no difference.

February 3 should show some further shakeout; although I can imagine scenarios which would keep all the current contenders in the race, they don't seem that likely.

Whoa, while Declan may go over the top on occasion, I'm sure glad he doesn't have an 'editor'

I edit my own material


Don't hate the media, be the media. - Jello Biafra

January 28, 2004 7:45 AM three blind mice:

seth finkelstein, with all due respect, your attempts at tarnishing mr. mccullagh's character are not becoming a person of your demonstrated intellect and ability.

as regards the remarks of the late presidential candidate howard dean, all we can do is read the words he spoke.
we attribute neither malice nor incompetence to his remarks; we are simply taking him at his literal word.

"We must develop flexible solutions that will likely require the use of Smart Cards and some form of hardened security in a reader or desktop device. For example, one state’s Smart Card driver’s license must be identifiable by another state’s card reader. It must also be easily commercialized by the private sector and included in all PCs over time "

when he says that a card reader should be installed in all PCs over time we can only conclude he means what he says.

January 28, 2004 8:14 AM Chris Williams:

three blind mice, I think your interpretation of Dean's words is reasonable. But I see at least two literal interpretations of this sentence: "It must also be easily commercialized by the private sector and included in all PCs over time..."

(1) It [must also be easily commercialized by the private sector] and [must also be included in all PCs over time...]

(2) It must also be [easily commercialized by the private sector] and [easily included in all PCs over time...]

The first suggests that it must be required. The second suggests only that it must be made available. I think Seth's interpretation is the latter, while yours is the former. I think either one is reasonable, though at first I only saw the former. I now think Dean may indeed have meant the latter.

January 28, 2004 10:48 AM three blind mice:

chris williams this may be a bit pedantic, but literal means literal.

you are adding words to dr. dean's literal remarks in an attempt to make them fit what you wanted him to say.

perhaps it is that the internet activists who supported dr. dean don't want to believe he would ever say anything contrary to their closely held belief that absolute on-line privacy is a fundamental right.

January 28, 2004 1:04 PM Chris Williams:

three blind mice, you needn't worry about offending me with pedantry. It's possible I've yet to post an online comment that wasn't pedantic. I'm not currently committed to Dean or any other candidate, but regardless of whatever I might wish he had said, I think the sentence in question is ambiguous. And remember, my original interpretation, which agreed with your own, was the less favorable of the two.

Sentences do not always have a single literal meaning. There's a concept called syntactical ambiguity, nicely illustrated by the following famous sentence:

I saw the man on the hill with the telescope.

How many literal meanings does this sentence have? I count at least five, depending on how one answers the following questions. Was the man on the hill? Or was I? Was the telescope on the hill? Did I use the telescope to see the man?

how is it a “bomb” for mr. mccullagh to place dr. dean’s remarks into context for his readers by mentioning the well-known manufacturers of PCs and the impact this may have on individual users? it does not seem to be a misrepresentation.

three blind mice, it's obviously a bomb (or a dagger in the back) b/c by naming those companies individually, it implies that Dean has a specific implementation plan that he has discussed with them, when that's not what he said at all.

i didn't care for Dean's speech much either, but trashing a candidate on the day b4 a primary with a 2-year-old speech and then making it look like the Dean camp didn't respond b/c they have something to hide (maybe they were a little busy ...) is sleazy journalism, imo.

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